Late 60's Goya finish question

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Steven Wilson
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Late 60's Goya finish question

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Hello I have an old Goya nylon string that the finish is doing that orange peel thing. It's only on the neck and head stock. What type of finish is this likely to be(I think nitro) and is there a fix? I'm only familiar working with lacquer and urathane. The owner commented that the guitar had seen a lot of camp fires so I suspect bug spray.
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Steven

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Re: Late 60's Goya finish question

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Steven, can you put some pics up? It's hard to tell from here.

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Re: Late 60's Goya finish question

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Here's athe headstock
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Re: Late 60's Goya finish question

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This looks like blistering from what I can decipher. Excessive heat is most likely the cause and it could be any finish. If it is not blistering then it could be oil base varnish 'crawling'. This can be caused by heat or resins in some woods. Some rosewoods can reject finish in some areas, the finish never gets hard.

More inspection is indicated.

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Re: Late 60's Goya finish question

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Thanks Michael
I don't think it's heat because it's only on the neck. My main concern was finish type as I am doing some repairs on the body. I believe it's lacquer, a little lacquer thinner softened the finish.
Thanks again
Steven

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Re: Late 60's Goya finish question

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Hard to tell from the picture, but it might be plasticizer migration, sometimes called a "strap burn" from vinyl or other plastic in contact with the finish, usually in the case. Could be bug spray, could be... many things.
If that's what it is, there fix can vary with how bad the damage is, how deep into the finish, and so forth. I've had some that had so much plasticizer throughout the lacquer, that I could scrape the gummy finish off to the wood with my thumb nail. The only repair was "R&R" (removal and replacement, in other words, refinish). If it's only superficial, it can be level sanded and buffed. Usually, it's somewhere in between.
Could be something else, though...

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Re: Late 60's Goya finish question

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Steven, you didn't say if the damaged finish is soft or hard. That information could point to a better answer.

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Re: Late 60's Goya finish question

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If the finish is lacquer, and is hard rather than gummy, you may be able to reamalgamate the finish with lacquer thinner or butyl cellosolve. Clean the finish of waxes and polishes with naphta before using the solvents.
Shellac also reacts to lacquer thinner as well as its more usual solvent, alcohol. Lacquer is less reactive to alcohol, so testing with alcohol may help you determine which it is. Shellac can be reamalgamated using alcohol and top coated with more shellac.
I have a Goya classical from the 70's but I'm not sure what the finish is.

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Re: Late 60's Goya finish question

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Thanks for the replies
The finish is hard. I will test a little alcohol and see.
Thanks
Steven

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