Rosette Tension when Gluing?

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Rosette Tension when Gluing?

Postby Phillip Lee » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:47 pm

Not to fault the Supplier of the Rosette I purchased but the dimensions didn't add up to the outside diameter (this is a restoration I didn't want to attempt to cut larger) like I thought after adding width and soundhole diameter. It should have been 128 mm total but was closer to 134mm outside. I thought of returning it but a Tech looked through several and 130+ was the best they could do, so instead of a week shipping lag I set about sanding the outside ring to fit.
After 3 hours and 3 grits the rosette is close but still pops up when pressed down into the old groove.
All that to ask, would you clamp and glue with some minimal tension in the rosette or continue to sand?
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Re: Rosette Tension when Gluing?

Postby Phillip Lee » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:50 pm

One additional caveat, I've decided to install a bridge DR. to reduce the belly factor before gluing the rosette to lessen the chance of stress cracks. Would you do any different?
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Re: Rosette Tension when Gluing?

Postby Barry Daniels » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:39 am

Water based glue will make the rosette swell so it should slip in easily before you glue it.
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Re: Rosette Tension when Gluing?

Postby Clay Schaeffer » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:00 am

If it can be fitted and clamped flush I would use it, but I would use epoxy rather than a water based glue to avoid the problem Barry mentioned.
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Re: Rosette Tension when Gluing?

Postby Phillip Lee » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:14 pm

Thanks Clay, I was thinking the same thing about swelling. I sure wish I had some West System left from a boat repair, I hate to use Lowes or other big-box Retailers epoxy products.
I meticulously sanded through 3 outer rings of the rosette with no problem and the fit is much better but still tight.I am still wondering if I should install the Bridge Doctor before gluing the rosette to reduce the chance of deformations later. It probably won't make any difference, I've found you can stress over details too much where it hinders decisions.
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Re: Rosette Tension when Gluing?

Postby Nick Dingle » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:25 pm

"I've found you can stress over details too much where it hinders decisions."

I call that dithering. While building guitars, it seems to be the one thing I am very good at...... ;-)
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Re: Rosette Tension when Gluing?

Postby Neal Carey » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:55 am

So, Nick, now I have a name for my ailment! Thanks. :-)
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Re: Rosette Tension when Gluing?

Postby Phillip Lee » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:57 pm

I glued the rosette in today after gluing in and shaving down some inner perfling flush. Yeah, she swelled. What should have been a 1 hour job turned into an hour and a half of stress. Air bubbles became entrapped in different locations around the circumference and I resorted to removing the small clamps and squeezing them out with thumb/hand pressure, then reclamping. I did this three times and finally the Titebond "Took Up"
She looks good.
Restorations can be worse than new builds in so many ways. Age bends and distorts things where a lot of last minute decisions must be made while glue sets so everything comes out close to right.
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