Lining up fret ends
-
- Posts: 377
- Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:03 pm
- Location: Drayden, Maryland
Lining up fret ends
Okay, I got one for you. If you don't run your fret end right to the edge of the fingerboard, how to you get them to line up nicely so that when you sight the edge, they are all lined up. The one time I used this approach, the ends did not line up well. If I run them to the edge, the flat file takes care of this.
-
- Posts: 2690
- Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:01 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Contact:
Re: Lining up fret ends
This would seemingly be an effort to make fretting much harder and more time consuming than it needs to be without a functional or aesthetic purpose. Am i missing something?
-
- Posts: 377
- Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:03 pm
- Location: Drayden, Maryland
Re: Lining up fret ends
Moving the ends inboard and filing them hemispherical before setting makes for a nice hand feel on the neck, no sharp edges at all. Some builders of the Selmer style guitars, vintage and modern, do it that way. I did it that way once, but unless the ends are nicely lined up, it looks sloppy. My job was just okay. And of course, you have to line both ends up, so the fret lengths have to be perfect. I'm not trying to make work for myself and would go there unless some one pointed out to me a simple way of doing it.
-
- Posts: 394
- Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:57 pm
Re: Lining up fret ends
Or just properly shape and dress the fret ends and get max playable fret length.
-
- Posts: 465
- Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:11 pm
- Location: Omaha, NE (a suburb of Iowa)
Re: Lining up fret ends
Not simpler than a fret file, but not hard with a couple jigs. Whether it's worth the effort will vary with the builder, and very few players would notice unless it's pointed out to them.
http://www.mimf.com/library/Randy_Rober ... -2012.html
As to why bother, there was a good discussion here a few years back about semihemispherical fret ends that a search of the library (New Library I think) could probably turn up.
Huh, didn't realize I'd asked the question that started the discussion...
http://www.mimf.com/library/Methods_for ... -2011.html
http://www.mimf.com/library/Randy_Rober ... -2012.html
As to why bother, there was a good discussion here a few years back about semihemispherical fret ends that a search of the library (New Library I think) could probably turn up.
Huh, didn't realize I'd asked the question that started the discussion...
http://www.mimf.com/library/Methods_for ... -2011.html
-
- Posts: 193
- Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:01 pm
- Location: East Tennessee
Re: Lining up fret ends
About four or five years ago I did several guitars with the semi-hemispherical fret ends. It took a lot of time to get the fret ends lined up and more than a few frets had to be redone (always start with the long ones ). Both of those guitars have been handled and played by probably several dozen players. Pretty much all of them have commented on how easy they were to play but not one ever noticed the fret ends. I decided it just wasn't worth the extra effort and have moved to Todd's position - dress them normally with an aim to maximize the playing area.
-
- Posts: 1554
- Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:05 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
Re: Lining up fret ends
I remember Randy's method from the old days, and it's probably the best and most repeatable process I've seen described to get the shape and the length you're looking for in a semi-hemi fret end. Definitely a lot more work that the typical fret end dressing method, but the results are excellent.
On the topic of fret end treatments and playability, though, I think there are some very subtle factors at play, including fret end shape, fret end bevel angle, fretboard edge bevel, and string offset from the fretboard edge. This summer I had the opportunity to visit John Bolin at his shop in Boise and show him one of my guitars. He was very generous of his time, and really went over my guitar with a fine-tooth comb. After looking it over and playing it, he had one critique in terms of construction/fit/finish. He said it was a small, nit-picky detail: fret ends. While they aren't at all sharp, he thought the bevel angle needed to be increased. I made a fret end bevel file/block (block of maple with a mill file glued into a groove), but the angle is pretty shallow, like only 15 degrees. If I'm not mistaken, the StewMac product is like 35 degrees. I made mine shallow, because I wanted to increase the playing surface. When I told Bolin this, he said it wouldn't be a problem with my string offset, but it would improve that hand feel greatly. He said he did this all freehand with a file until it felt right. We're talking about TINY variations in dimensions, but it's all part of the formula that makes a guitar neck feel good.
On the topic of fret end treatments and playability, though, I think there are some very subtle factors at play, including fret end shape, fret end bevel angle, fretboard edge bevel, and string offset from the fretboard edge. This summer I had the opportunity to visit John Bolin at his shop in Boise and show him one of my guitars. He was very generous of his time, and really went over my guitar with a fine-tooth comb. After looking it over and playing it, he had one critique in terms of construction/fit/finish. He said it was a small, nit-picky detail: fret ends. While they aren't at all sharp, he thought the bevel angle needed to be increased. I made a fret end bevel file/block (block of maple with a mill file glued into a groove), but the angle is pretty shallow, like only 15 degrees. If I'm not mistaken, the StewMac product is like 35 degrees. I made mine shallow, because I wanted to increase the playing surface. When I told Bolin this, he said it wouldn't be a problem with my string offset, but it would improve that hand feel greatly. He said he did this all freehand with a file until it felt right. We're talking about TINY variations in dimensions, but it's all part of the formula that makes a guitar neck feel good.
-Ruining perfectly good wood, one day at a time.
-
- Posts: 465
- Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:11 pm
- Location: Omaha, NE (a suburb of Iowa)
Re: Lining up fret ends
"old days"?
sigh....
sigh....
-
- Posts: 1182
- Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:25 pm
- Location: San Diego, CA
Re: Lining up fret ends
Pah!!
2012 is NOT the "old days"!!
We've all been around her a LOT longer than that!! Ha ha ha!!
2012 is NOT the "old days"!!
We've all been around her a LOT longer than that!! Ha ha ha!!
Likes to drink Rosewood Juice
-
- Posts: 1554
- Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:05 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
Re: Lining up fret ends
Aw, for frick sake, guys... Old Forum era... MIMF First Epoch... you know what I mean.
But yes, mucking around here for 16+ years... sheesh.
But yes, mucking around here for 16+ years... sheesh.
-Ruining perfectly good wood, one day at a time.